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The concept of God commanding Joseph to lie to conceal a revelation is, perhaps, shocking at first glance.

But the very first couple of chapters of the Book of Mormon have Nephi committing a murder when he was commanded by God. (Of course, that entire story has been found to be perfectly biblically legal according to the laws of Moses. See Jack Welch). Certainly God has "excused" various sins to His prophets in the past; see Moses' killing of the Egyptian.

And is something a lie when it is both true and false? Consider the question: Was salvation available to people in 400 BC. The answer is yes and no. If you were a Jew, you could obtain salvation through the law of Moses. If you were a gentile... you were out of luck, aside from the very rare possibility of conversion to the Jewish faith, like Ruth did.

So if asked, Isaiah would say that Salvation is not available to the Babylonians. Is that a lie? Well... I don't know. It's both true and false, isn't it?

So when Joseph is asked about polygamy, it was certainly not a practice that anyone could do legally. Random church members were not permitted by God to enter into the practice, so it was not a recognized doctrine of the gospel. It was "by invitation only." Only in Brigham's time was it expanded to the Church.

I think we all have to remember that God, no doubt, has a different set of morals than what we have today. He, after all, is unchangeable and the same. He functioned perfectly well and declared His word to the ancients, in a time of blood sacrifice, polygamy, patriarchy, and widespread polytheism. He, apparently, was ok with Aaron offering sacrifices to the golden calf on behalf of the wicked Israelites... at least, Aaron wasn't killed for it. Such a thing is unimaginable for our conception of God today.

Joseph Smith once said, and I think this is something that no one could possibly disagree with, that "if you could gaze into heaven for 5 minutes you would learn more than has ever been written on the subject." Who could disagree? Whatever heaven is like, it will not be like America, circa 2025, with our twisted sense of morals.

God is the arbiter of what is right and what is wrong, and if He commands His prophet to conceal stuff, as he did to several Old Testament prophets, then that is the moral thing to do. He silenced Isaiah and Jeremiah, lest the people repent. That.... is not the common conception of God today, for sure.

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I understand that you think Joseph's lying (or concealment) could have been commanded by God in an attempt to protect him or God's work. But what would Brigham's purpose for lying have been? And are you suggesting God could have commanded Brigham to lie about Joseph's polygamy?

I can understand the argument that God commanded Joseph to conceal his polygamy, though I don't agree with the idea that he practiced polygamy at all. I just don't see any other rationale for Brigham to have lied, except to legitimize and justify his own behavior.

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